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		<title>Comment on Failure, Mistakes, and Actual Success by Max J. Pucher</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/03/failure-mistakes-and-actual-success/#comment-46191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max J. Pucher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To close the debate: I did say it is a matter of perspective. Who chooses the perspective? Whoever looks at this at whatever time and in whatever context. You demand that it should be taken only from those who intend to succeed. That is an arbitrary choice but still a valid one. You chose to call it a success and I chose to call it a limitation of potential. 

We are both right because we are free to chose our perspectives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To close the debate: I did say it is a matter of perspective. Who chooses the perspective? Whoever looks at this at whatever time and in whatever context. You demand that it should be taken only from those who intend to succeed. That is an arbitrary choice but still a valid one. You chose to call it a success and I chose to call it a limitation of potential. </p>
<p>We are both right because we are free to chose our perspectives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Failure, Mistakes, and Actual Success by Pie</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/03/failure-mistakes-and-actual-success/#comment-46189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can allow failure. Doesn&#039;t mean that failure is good. The goal is success. If failure happens, it happens, but that isn&#039;t the goal, nor is it good.

Wow, pulling a Nazi analogy out. Haven&#039;t seen that since John Stewart last lampooned Fox News.

Success for some is almost always bad for someone else. If you launch a new product and it triples your revenue, it is successful. For your competitors, it is a bad thing. For you, it is good. Are you going to measure your success on their opinion? No. When one measures Success, or Failure, as either good or bad, you have to measure it from the perspective of the person executing the plan, which is hopefully you.

When talking about Failure and Success, we should always be talking about the perspective of those creating and executing. That is the data that matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can allow failure. Doesn&#8217;t mean that failure is good. The goal is success. If failure happens, it happens, but that isn&#8217;t the goal, nor is it good.</p>
<p>Wow, pulling a Nazi analogy out. Haven&#8217;t seen that since John Stewart last lampooned Fox News.</p>
<p>Success for some is almost always bad for someone else. If you launch a new product and it triples your revenue, it is successful. For your competitors, it is a bad thing. For you, it is good. Are you going to measure your success on their opinion? No. When one measures Success, or Failure, as either good or bad, you have to measure it from the perspective of the person executing the plan, which is hopefully you.</p>
<p>When talking about Failure and Success, we should always be talking about the perspective of those creating and executing. That is the data that matters.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Failure, Mistakes, and Actual Success by Max J. Pucher</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/03/failure-mistakes-and-actual-success/#comment-46184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max J. Pucher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My point is that not allowing failure means to stagnate. Well, sometimes thats what people want and if you are trying to manufacture a million identical widgets then you better keep your stuff within spec. 

Success is not good by default. Hitler was successfully killing millions of people. Was that good? The problem is one of perspectives. The surgery might be successful and the patient still die. The surgery might fail and therefore the patient had surprisingly a few more years to live anyway. The banks make huge profits (success!), the politicians get elected by running over budget (success!) and the EU might fail because of it. 

A failed suicide will be seen positive by most people. And so on and so on ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that not allowing failure means to stagnate. Well, sometimes thats what people want and if you are trying to manufacture a million identical widgets then you better keep your stuff within spec. </p>
<p>Success is not good by default. Hitler was successfully killing millions of people. Was that good? The problem is one of perspectives. The surgery might be successful and the patient still die. The surgery might fail and therefore the patient had surprisingly a few more years to live anyway. The banks make huge profits (success!), the politicians get elected by running over budget (success!) and the EU might fail because of it. </p>
<p>A failed suicide will be seen positive by most people. And so on and so on &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dreaming of the Documentum Community and Conferences by Pie</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/10/dreaming-of-the-documentum-community-and-conferences/#comment-46178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know several people that are registered that aren&#039;t on that page. That is a data integration issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know several people that are registered that aren&#8217;t on that page. That is a data integration issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The &#8220;Better&#8221; Information Professional by @Xenos_group</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/02/the-better-information-professional/#comment-46177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[@Xenos_group]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the validation of marketing by an info professional!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the validation of marketing by an info professional!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dreaming of the Documentum Community and Conferences by Les</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/10/dreaming-of-the-documentum-community-and-conferences/#comment-46175</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Les]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;WDK interfaces look old and people are noticing.&quot; how true! I&#039;m reading this on the way back from the JQuery UK conference and after 2 days marvelling at the nifty tips and tricks of those UI guys I am almost depressed to be heading back to Documentum land! Let&#039;s hope the newer interfaces bring the usability experience up a few notches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;WDK interfaces look old and people are noticing.&#8221; how true! I&#8217;m reading this on the way back from the JQuery UK conference and after 2 days marvelling at the nifty tips and tricks of those UI guys I am almost depressed to be heading back to Documentum land! Let&#8217;s hope the newer interfaces bring the usability experience up a few notches.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dreaming of the Documentum Community and Conferences by Steve Boxley</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/10/dreaming-of-the-documentum-community-and-conferences/#comment-46173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Boxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt:  &quot;Also on the Developer Conference and TechSet 2012 homepage, it only has 1 person attending. (hopefully this is wrong – but it would help justify networking if we had an idea how many are registered)&quot;

That is a mistake that will be corrected thank you for pointing it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt:  &#8220;Also on the Developer Conference and TechSet 2012 homepage, it only has 1 person attending. (hopefully this is wrong – but it would help justify networking if we had an idea how many are registered)&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a mistake that will be corrected thank you for pointing it out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dreaming of the Documentum Community and Conferences by Matt Porter</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/10/dreaming-of-the-documentum-community-and-conferences/#comment-46172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Porter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laurence - I completely agree with you. I really enjoyed attending Documentum Developer conferences before they were part of EMC. I&#039;ve been to a couple EMC Worlds and left without the educational experience I wanted. Looking at the TechSet, the courses seem as if they are the most advanced, rather than reaching down to the intermediate levels. 

Looking at Track 3 Captiva Dispatcher - Seems that this is the advanced course. http://mylearn.emc.com/portals/ext/ml.cfm?actionID=65&amp;subjectID=21420 and that &quot;Dispatcher Fundamentals and Development&quot; is a pre-requisite. If they want to foster education of Captiva, starting at the top, might be the wrong approach.

Also on the Developer Conference and TechSet 2012 homepage, it only has 1 person attending. (hopefully this is wrong - but it would help justify networking if we had an idea how many are registered)

With the most advanced courses being offered and only one person attending (as it says), I wonder if using my limited training budget for this event is worthwhile and how much marketing attention this is getting at EMC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurence &#8211; I completely agree with you. I really enjoyed attending Documentum Developer conferences before they were part of EMC. I&#8217;ve been to a couple EMC Worlds and left without the educational experience I wanted. Looking at the TechSet, the courses seem as if they are the most advanced, rather than reaching down to the intermediate levels. </p>
<p>Looking at Track 3 Captiva Dispatcher &#8211; Seems that this is the advanced course. <a href="http://mylearn.emc.com/portals/ext/ml.cfm?actionID=65&#038;subjectID=21420" rel="nofollow">http://mylearn.emc.com/portals/ext/ml.cfm?actionID=65&#038;subjectID=21420</a> and that &#8220;Dispatcher Fundamentals and Development&#8221; is a pre-requisite. If they want to foster education of Captiva, starting at the top, might be the wrong approach.</p>
<p>Also on the Developer Conference and TechSet 2012 homepage, it only has 1 person attending. (hopefully this is wrong &#8211; but it would help justify networking if we had an idea how many are registered)</p>
<p>With the most advanced courses being offered and only one person attending (as it says), I wonder if using my limited training budget for this event is worthwhile and how much marketing attention this is getting at EMC.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Failure, Mistakes, and Actual Success by Pie</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/03/failure-mistakes-and-actual-success/#comment-46169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, there comes a time to throw in the towel and fail. Success shouldn&#039;t be pursued irrationally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, there comes a time to throw in the towel and fail. Success shouldn&#8217;t be pursued irrationally.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Failure, Mistakes, and Actual Success by Pie</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/03/failure-mistakes-and-actual-success/#comment-46168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max, you had me until you said &quot;Success is not good.&quot; People may argue about whether or not something was a Success, but by definition, it is good. If it isn&#039;t good, it isn&#039;t success.

Failure is bad, but not necessarily catastrophic. It is a sliding scale and at some point something can be classified as a failure.

I would say that Failure is not the absence of Good and Success is not the absence of Bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, you had me until you said &#8220;Success is not good.&#8221; People may argue about whether or not something was a Success, but by definition, it is good. If it isn&#8217;t good, it isn&#8217;t success.</p>
<p>Failure is bad, but not necessarily catastrophic. It is a sliding scale and at some point something can be classified as a failure.</p>
<p>I would say that Failure is not the absence of Good and Success is not the absence of Bad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unforgiven, Reflecting on Momentum 2011, Vegas by Dreaming of the Documentum Community and Conferences &#171; Word of Pie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dreaming of the Documentum Community and Conferences &#171; Word of Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] side to attend. Each year, more attend and each year they get greater value. Last year, I said that EMC World was finally truly safe for business users to attend and gain real value. I meant [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on EMC World 2009, The Case of the Incredibly Shrinking Momentum by Dreaming of the Documentum Community and Conferences &#171; Word of Pie</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2009/06/11/emc-world-2009-the-case-of-the-incredibly-shrinking-momentum/#comment-46166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dreaming of the Documentum Community and Conferences &#171; Word of Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] biggest issue was the overall reduction in content. As I observed after the 2009 EMC World, the total number of sessions were down almost 50%. Even now, if you went to EMC World last year, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The &#8220;Better&#8221; Information Professional by I am &#8230; a Certified Information Professional &#124; Candy Strategies</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/02/the-better-information-professional/#comment-45988</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I am &#8230; a Certified Information Professional &#124; Candy Strategies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] well-known for for his Word of Pie blog. I can&#8217;t remember how the trash talk started, but it ended with a bet. No studying, no prep, top score on the exam wins a blog post from the loser. Plus next round at [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] well-known for for his Word of Pie blog. I can&#8217;t remember how the trash talk started, but it ended with a bet. No studying, no prep, top score on the exam wins a blog post from the loser. Plus next round at [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keeping Your Content Alive, With or Without SharePoint by Digital Landfills &#38; Spam versus &#8216;Content is the Process&#8217; &#171; Welcome to the Real (IT) World!</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/01/27/keeping-your-content-alive-with-or-without-sharepoint/#comment-45947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Digital Landfills &#38; Spam versus &#8216;Content is the Process&#8217; &#171; Welcome to the Real (IT) World!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Failure, Mistakes, and Actual Success by Robin east</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2012/02/03/failure-mistakes-and-actual-success/#comment-45946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin east]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laurence, first of all congratulations on the new job!

I think I agree with much of what you said in these recent posts. I don&#039;t have enough time to go into depth on the subject but what I would say is that it&#039;s a good idea to try and turn activities, initiatives or whatever into things that might turn out to be mistakes rather than failures. I&#039;m passing I would say that this is one of the key insights of agile approaches to projects- a fail fast setup. This maybe where the confusion over failure comes in as it involves the word fail rather than mistake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurence, first of all congratulations on the new job!</p>
<p>I think I agree with much of what you said in these recent posts. I don&#8217;t have enough time to go into depth on the subject but what I would say is that it&#8217;s a good idea to try and turn activities, initiatives or whatever into things that might turn out to be mistakes rather than failures. I&#8217;m passing I would say that this is one of the key insights of agile approaches to projects- a fail fast setup. This maybe where the confusion over failure comes in as it involves the word fail rather than mistake.</p>
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