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	<title>Comments on: JM Pascal Asks Pie the Hard ECM Questions</title>
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		<title>By: A Slice off Pie &#171; The CMS Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2009/10/06/jm-pascal-asks-pie-the-hard-ecm-questions/#comment-11862</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Slice off Pie &#171; The CMS Curmudgeon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the ECM Definition Around&#8221;, Pie neatly justified his search as follows:  Back in October, there was some debate on updating the definition of ECM. Since then, there has been discussions out there about whether the term ECM should even be used [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the ECM Definition Around&#8221;, Pie neatly justified his search as follows:  Back in October, there was some debate on updating the definition of ECM. Since then, there has been discussions out there about whether the term ECM should even be used [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Saurabh Garg</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2009/10/06/jm-pascal-asks-pie-the-hard-ecm-questions/#comment-10525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saurabh Garg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is what I came up with - &#039;Strategic reorientation of content from being a business process artifact to building an empowering platform on which an enterprise strives to become more agile, compliant, and competitive&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I came up with &#8211; &#8216;Strategic reorientation of content from being a business process artifact to building an empowering platform on which an enterprise strives to become more agile, compliant, and competitive&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pie</title>
		<link>http://wordofpie.com/2009/10/06/jm-pascal-asks-pie-the-hard-ecm-questions/#comment-7707</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My history was yanked from my post 2 years ago where I first commented upon the definition.  That is why I accused Bryant of &quot;cheating&quot;.  It had changed on me.  Look forward to your insights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My history was yanked from my post 2 years ago where I first commented upon the definition.  That is why I accused Bryant of &#8220;cheating&#8221;.  It had changed on me.  Look forward to your insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Don&#039;t be a hater&quot; : you know me matey, more of a lover than a fighter :-)

I am humbled by your historical facts on the current AIIM definition, and stand corrected on the strategy issue !

I am destined to get no more work done this morning while I mull over alternatives to &quot;empowerment&quot;...... a sucky sucky word....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t be a hater&#8221; : you know me matey, more of a lover than a fighter <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am humbled by your historical facts on the current AIIM definition, and stand corrected on the strategy issue !</p>
<p>I am destined to get no more work done this morning while I mull over alternatives to &#8220;empowerment&#8221;&#8230;&#8230; a sucky sucky word&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm, thanks for the comment.  &quot;Coordinated management&quot; is probably an improvement.  I&#039;ll think on it.  Anyone else agree with lopataru?

As I told Jed, I am willing to replace empowerment, not a fan of the word, but I want a word that conveys a similar concept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, thanks for the comment.  &#8220;Coordinated management&#8221; is probably an improvement.  I&#8217;ll think on it.  Anyone else agree with lopataru?</p>
<p>As I told Jed, I am willing to replace empowerment, not a fan of the word, but I want a word that conveys a similar concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Pie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you! I love being told that my definition &quot;truly sucks!&quot;  I am not a big fan of empowerment, so I am more than open to other words.  Any ideas?

Strategy was a minor word two years ago.  The definition then was, &quot;Enterprise Content Management (ECM) is the technologies used to capture, manage, store, preserve, and deliver content and documents related to organizational processes. ECM tools and strategies allow the management of an organization’s unstructured information, wherever that information exists.&quot;  It is minor.  The first sentence is a definition statement.  The second sentence addressed what ECM tools and strategies allow, not what it is.  It is a moot point since strategy is now more central to their definition.

One more comment Jed...Don&#039;t be a hater.  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! I love being told that my definition &#8220;truly sucks!&#8221;  I am not a big fan of empowerment, so I am more than open to other words.  Any ideas?</p>
<p>Strategy was a minor word two years ago.  The definition then was, &#8220;Enterprise Content Management (ECM) is the technologies used to capture, manage, store, preserve, and deliver content and documents related to organizational processes. ECM tools and strategies allow the management of an organization’s unstructured information, wherever that information exists.&#8221;  It is minor.  The first sentence is a definition statement.  The second sentence addressed what ECM tools and strategies allow, not what it is.  It is a moot point since strategy is now more central to their definition.</p>
<p>One more comment Jed&#8230;Don&#8217;t be a hater.  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lopataru</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lopataru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just about to start writing and then Jed&#039;s note came up.
Empowerment feels out of place for me also... although my keyboard stayed clean.
And I would change &quot;centralized management&quot; with &quot;coordinated management&quot; (yeah, I know... sounds like empowerment all over again).
&quot;Business context&quot; is a good catch.
I think it&#039;s a tie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just about to start writing and then Jed&#8217;s note came up.<br />
Empowerment feels out of place for me also&#8230; although my keyboard stayed clean.<br />
And I would change &#8220;centralized management&#8221; with &#8220;coordinated management&#8221; (yeah, I know&#8230; sounds like empowerment all over again).<br />
&#8220;Business context&#8221; is a good catch.<br />
I think it&#8217;s a tie</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pie old chap, it pains me to say this, and I will buy you beer one day to make up for it, but your definition truly sucks !

&quot;Empowerment&quot; ? Puh-lease......  A definition should not need to spawn multiple sub-definition threads, so while I think I understand what your getting at with the &quot;empowerment of all content within an organization&quot; - some VP who has just been given ECM as a new part of her empire is gonna read that and think WTF ?

Also when was the last time you read the AIIM statement ? When you joined ? You have been working in the ECM space much longer than I, but unless my memory is failing me (possible, too much beer consumed in my youth...) the AIIM definition has always had the &#039;strategy&#039; aspect in it since I have been a member, and I think I joined in 2003 / 4.

Personally I like the AIIM definition - no, its not perfect, but no definition of a broad subject area ever can be. At least it mentions strategy twice, and &#039;unstructured information&#039;.  I do however like your &quot;business context&quot; in place of the AIIM &quot;organizational processes&quot;. Bottom line, I think your definition befits your ECM &#039;guru&#039; status; 

You understand it and your pretty sure we understand it (we as in &quot;the industry&#039;) but as Dwayne noted,  I don&#039;t think any &quot;outsiders&quot; would understand it.

Also should not a definition (by definition...) be cold and analytical ? It should not require soul or passion. You might build a vision statement for your particular ECM effort / information management strategy, that has plenty of passion and even &#039;soul&#039; - but its certainly not required to get in the way as part of a definition.

Also please put warnings in your posts in future. I thought I had a good handle on your sense of humor, but after spraying my keyboard with Coke at the &quot;empowerment&quot; moment, I then did it again for the final &quot;dare to dream&quot;...!

I hope this was negative enough for you - don&#039;t hate me man.......

Keep churning this great stuff out, it gives us all something to think about and discuss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pie old chap, it pains me to say this, and I will buy you beer one day to make up for it, but your definition truly sucks !</p>
<p>&#8220;Empowerment&#8221; ? Puh-lease&#8230;&#8230;  A definition should not need to spawn multiple sub-definition threads, so while I think I understand what your getting at with the &#8220;empowerment of all content within an organization&#8221; &#8211; some VP who has just been given ECM as a new part of her empire is gonna read that and think WTF ?</p>
<p>Also when was the last time you read the AIIM statement ? When you joined ? You have been working in the ECM space much longer than I, but unless my memory is failing me (possible, too much beer consumed in my youth&#8230;) the AIIM definition has always had the &#8216;strategy&#8217; aspect in it since I have been a member, and I think I joined in 2003 / 4.</p>
<p>Personally I like the AIIM definition &#8211; no, its not perfect, but no definition of a broad subject area ever can be. At least it mentions strategy twice, and &#8216;unstructured information&#8217;.  I do however like your &#8220;business context&#8221; in place of the AIIM &#8220;organizational processes&#8221;. Bottom line, I think your definition befits your ECM &#8216;guru&#8217; status; </p>
<p>You understand it and your pretty sure we understand it (we as in &#8220;the industry&#8217;) but as Dwayne noted,  I don&#8217;t think any &#8220;outsiders&#8221; would understand it.</p>
<p>Also should not a definition (by definition&#8230;) be cold and analytical ? It should not require soul or passion. You might build a vision statement for your particular ECM effort / information management strategy, that has plenty of passion and even &#8216;soul&#8217; &#8211; but its certainly not required to get in the way as part of a definition.</p>
<p>Also please put warnings in your posts in future. I thought I had a good handle on your sense of humor, but after spraying my keyboard with Coke at the &#8220;empowerment&#8221; moment, I then did it again for the final &#8220;dare to dream&#8221;&#8230;!</p>
<p>I hope this was negative enough for you &#8211; don&#8217;t hate me man&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Keep churning this great stuff out, it gives us all something to think about and discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dwayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A true meaningful and comprehensive definition of ECM is a tough nut to crack.  On several occasions I&#039;ve had the need to go out and pull definitions of ECM for presentations here at work, and so, I hit AIIM, Gartner, and as many other sources as I can find at that point in time.  

I think we (ECM industry folks) know that content is everywhere, but, I constantly get that the definitions are too broad and are not truly understood by those outside the industry, or those that just don&#039;t think in those terms.  Those comments are typically followed be &quot;that could mean anything is content&quot;  Well, um, yeah.  Content plus relevancy equals value.  In the end, the definition needs to be applied to the situation at hand, and what it means to the organization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A true meaningful and comprehensive definition of ECM is a tough nut to crack.  On several occasions I&#8217;ve had the need to go out and pull definitions of ECM for presentations here at work, and so, I hit AIIM, Gartner, and as many other sources as I can find at that point in time.  </p>
<p>I think we (ECM industry folks) know that content is everywhere, but, I constantly get that the definitions are too broad and are not truly understood by those outside the industry, or those that just don&#8217;t think in those terms.  Those comments are typically followed be &#8220;that could mean anything is content&#8221;  Well, um, yeah.  Content plus relevancy equals value.  In the end, the definition needs to be applied to the situation at hand, and what it means to the organization.</p>
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